Well, the material of the universe is bliss. That is, good vibrations. The further down you look, the more weird vibes are found. Atoms and quarks are just little whirlpools of energy rotating and orbiting and flucuating and spinning around themselves and each other to make up the world and universe in which we live. In fact, the closer in you zoom on space-time the more violent and seemingly random is the state of being At the sub microscopic level, your kitchen floor is the most torrential sea of cosmic stardust. As are we all, hence the curiosity. ;oP

Black Holes are tricky. No one�s ever been to one, or at least not back from one. The most plausible cause for such phenomena is a collapsed star, beyond super heavy mass, folding in on itself, and pulling everything down with it. It is theorized that gravity wells so strong are at the heart of every galaxy, and that this sort of thing is what caused the Big Bang. I think it has to do with magnetism also, but then, gravity �n magnetism are basically two radio stations on the same dial. You have to remember (and this is all still theory by the way) that so far down in the subatomic realms, there isn�t any mass anymore, at least not as we think of it; it�s all vibrations.

So, we haven�t exactly figured out what reality is, not by a long shot. But imagine a drop of water forming on your faucet. On the other side of the black hole, it is thought, eventually enough "stuff" accumulates that it branches off as its own brand spanking new universe. An easy guess is this is caused by the extreme forces placed on matter in such a cosmic vacuum cleaner. When the drop of water is big enough to fall into the sink, you have what�s been tentatively called a Child Universe. Naturally, how big an Earth droplet gets before that happens depends on gravity, air pressure, etc. In a vacuum, with vibrating Stardust everywhere, recycled into their newest state of being, the laws of the universe still apply, but all they really have is each other: they have to start over on their own. This could take some time, but what is time but another dimension to consider?

Imagine a piece of string. It can be viewed by us in many combinations of 3D coordinates. But it is still a 3D object with a tiny amount of thickness, only perceivable close up. A laser beam is basically a signal telling the particles to emit photons, to glow: a vibration transmitted across space and time. This works out very well, �cuz as it turns out, this is basically how everything in the universe works. When you look at your hand, what do you see? Fingernails are defined by whatever vibration, or drum beat, the atoms are grooving to. And those atoms are digging their own scene, and so on, and so on .......

As to what the smallest thing is, until recently that prestigious position was held by the Quark, of which there are several types (my favorite quark name is `charmed`). Well, it seems that inside these groovy particles are yet more vibrations, much like an electron, that harmonize at different frequencies. It seems that with all the turbulence everywhere, whirlpools form; and because of the laws of the universe, become things like quarks which are like little twirling lassos made of rubber bands, made of ghostly vibes, made of even smaller vibes, and so on and so forth, so far ..... as per our primitive observations.

So anyway, they added up all the happy dances they could find, and hoped to learn that number of dimensions everybody�s been asking about. Most had money on four (height, width, depth, plus time), but the answer kept coming back as eleven. Spinal Tap is celebrating. So the new theory is that the Big Bang exploded these three we see into larger than life sizes. So it�s ten dimensions, plus time (being zero), but that may just be how our life form perceives such vibes.

Eventually, it might. Or, it could fold in on itself sooner. We were always taught as children that the universe went on forever, but infinity is a difficult concept for anyone to comprehend. Astronomers have charted out the universe taking into account that the furthest thing they can see, so far, is billions of light years away, and �cuz that image travels at the speed of light, what we see is how it looked billions of years ago, (from where it was back then, in relation to the point in space we currently occupy, and then there's always temporal distortion). Who knows what it looks like now, or even where it is; but they've made educated guesses and the galaxies are distributed like a puff of smoke in zero gravity: but it also looks remarkably like a living thing to me. That's a controversial view though.

Most physicists agree however, that as the universe is constantly expanding, they say it will contract someday and eventually implode into nothing, from whence they think it came. The Big Suck they call it. The jury's still out on that one, mainly because of not enough data. I dunno, maybe it�s just breathing.

That�s the general speculation, I think. But it may depend on the original white hole still being there after all this time, if it still exists. It may not be a white hole anymore (spewing matter into the universe from some other reality), or it may not be in the same place anymore, but that would be the theoretical original proverbial `center of the universe` from whence all things came. Lacking that, it is possible that the mass of the universe eventually reach a certain point and that would be the proverbial `last straw` and send everything buckling back into some regurgitative experience.

This assumes that all matter is matter and all energy is energy. But if everything is based on subatomic particles, which vibrate through dimensions we can�t even comprehend, who�s to say what briney seawater flows through the gauze?

Some believe that the amount of either or both is finite, but I�m allowing for the existence of the undreamed of. Just because something isn�t proven, doesn�t mean it doesn�t exist. Too many scientists ignore the obvious �cuz it can�t be proven successfully in this primitive century, so they go about other business and miss the point; which is discovery, not abstinence.

Earlier today, there was a partial lunar eclipse, of the "most perfect full moon of the year" according to some ancient religions. Their knowledge of these things dates back to lost arts which blend astronomy and astrology, but have over the eons been used for the worship of gods instead of timing earthquakes and volcanoes: which is real handy, but only recently been re-realized.

Yep, and this fascinated many an acid tripper in the 60s. Wow, man! Every atom, from Oxygen to Titanium, to element 115, is made up of protons, neutrons and electrons, in different combinations, locked together to make different forms of matter called elements. What groups them so nicely? Gravity, and no one knows quite why it works. That may be the final question on the test before we learn to leave the universe. Anyways, these go on to assemble themselves into things we can see. A diamond, for instance, is just carbon arranged in a cubicle formation, that�s why it�s transparent. There are yellow and blue diamonds too, which have a stray element thrown in, for taste.

I used to eat microchips ...... If you have a real curiosity for science (serious interest in how the universe works) it'll just soak into you without your notice and then you take a test and you realize that you have a real aptitude for this shit ;oP

That�s the new 64 million dollar question. I suspect it�s gravitational, magnetic turmoil between the littler dimensions: kinda like mist above a torrential sea; or fog, or dew, when the dew point, barometer and humidity, etc. so cooperate. If it is some new object; like the electron, and then the quark: we could be on the brink of discovering evidence for everything from the existence of the soul, to incalculable parallel alternate realities, which may be as alien to ours as a city is to the bottom of the sea.

That would be one or more types of Physicist. You have to have at least passable Latin and highest possible math always comes in handy. I wanted to be one of those, but I had kinda a weird childhood. Actually, I wanted to be that third, an astronaut second, and a rock star first.

I don�t think the government is at fault necessarily, but I�m sure there are many things some people know that the world just isn�t ready for. This is not to say we couldn�t be made ready. You and I are open minded enough, but the average Joe don�t care or wouldn�t believe. Besides, it would fuck up the economy and thus probably start WW3.

I know there are intelligent beings out there, who are aware of us, and that certain people are working with them even now. Maybe we'll know more for sure within our lifetimes, but by then it�ll have been 3-5 generations of profit via bullshit, based on centuries old traditions of lying to the people to further their selfish ways.

Their respective infinities might cancel each other out? Maybe it's not possible to have that happen though. Or maybe it'd be like tornadoes, dancing with each other until they whither out?

Sure, that's the new thought. Something has to attract all the constellations and star clusters around a central point, the heart of a galaxy; and we know of nothing more gravitationally motivated.

Kinda. It really helps if you don't need a calculator. Mathematics is the universal language of the universe. You need Latin to get into the writ concepts, even to be a doctor or a lawyer. But there are other places, much more advanced than Earth, where Latin is never spoken; but Mathematics is, everyday.

"Biology is for those who don't have the math for real science."
~ Professor Arturo, Sliders ;oP

Just like: because we experience these 3 dimensions, and see nothing else, doesn't mean that's all there is to existence. So, there could be creatures with no dimensions in common with us, except maybe time: and a whole universe to themselves. Or even using another one as time, and coexisting with us in the same space, like two pieces of paper in a ream. Each of us `parallel` to each other, so to speak, and planets may be across all platforms as well. So I wonder what alternate Earthlings look like.

Could be exactly the same, or very different. Imagine that a tree exists cross platform like that, and it is still a creature in another set of dimensions, but has mobility and communication. Now imagine that we exist in dimensions that we cannot perceive .......

Same three dimensions, parallel Earths. That show isn't always exact on physics. In order to experience other dimensions, we don't have to move an inch, just alter our perception. People who do halucinagenics claim to be able to talk to these beings but the establishment says they're halucinating That's why I got into acid 'n weed, etc. back in the 80s: big mistake. Acid is kinda like blowing all your doors and windows off your house when all you really want is a look outside Look at some old trippers, they've blasted their foundations out long ago.

Not exactly, I'm sure there were people there, and they could tell I was on the edge of perception. But I was being freaked out by my more experienced fellow trippers: I asked if it was God. It wasn't. But I was able to comprehend more than one thing at a time; I remember that. The people who were with me, and also on acid had a Jimi Hendrix `Rainbow Bridge` going from each other's third eyes, and it looked like they had wild cosmic jewelry on - necklaces, etc. By comparison, people who weren't tripping looked two dimensional, and in black 'n white. As I came down, I realized I wasn't going to be taking any of this vast knowledge with me so I planted in my brain one thing: `it's all going to be alright.` I'm still waiting. ;oP

If we can figure out how to have that experience without poisoning our bodies to release our minds, we could prove heaven and hell are actual locations, and draw up a map. ;oP

I saw that TNG episode too. Wesley Crusher's gone beyond!

I think so, but then I think everything is just energy vibrating at different harmonies. `In the beginning there was light` Oh, this book's about us!

Yeah, and they said that they cancelled the program and the former psychic spies turned the technique back on the company only to find they still exist, stronger than ever, just under a black project umbrella. I think they could well be autonomous by now (self sufficient and free from any outside intervention), and beyond any reproachment, anyways. I mean, if you can see somebody coming years away .....

These people would know everything: all about aliens, who Christ and Buddha really were, where Humanity really comes from, and have access to myriads of probable futures too. Take your pick from all your favorites, and move your little chess pieces to bring about that event scenario.

Some of it. Scam :o/

The languages is what got me. But she's old enough to have learned them. I can appreciate the communication situation, but the show seemed to be more about promotion.

I dunno, selling books?

Catholicism is what the Romans turned Christianity into during the middle ages, and continued corruption through the renaissance and beyond. The no meat on Fiday thing? Starving fishermen. An economic political mandate. People, buy more fish or you will burn in hell for all eternity. It's amazing what people will fall for when they've been taught from birth to be scared to death to not believe whatever some robed dude says. Happens all the time .....

Interesting theory. I would imagine such a deception could be quite successful. There's billions of faithful prime for exploitation already, waiting for the rapture.

Right, but most people wouldn't. And all the evidence of aliens falls on deaf ears. They've been conditioned to violent ignorance. A few alien types (chupacabra for one), do resemble the red skinned, pointy eared, horned one. And if you take alien cultures into consideration, the bible suddenly makes good sense when seen from the perspective of a budding civilization and alien intervention.

This is perhaps the last major folly of `established science in the planetbound era` ..... surrounded on all sides by voices screaming separate versions of the same ancient story but they won't listen to either one, much less put it all together. Or maybe some of them have, but are keeping it quiet.

That�s a good question. And not one which most scientists feel comfortable asking. I think it�d have to be a given that at least elements, if not math in general, could theoretically be different in other universes, or other dimensional set-ups. Anytime you have a different platform, the rules are subject to major changes (or not, who knows, right?) For one thing, in another universe, those wiggy cosmic vibrations could vary to form something besides quarks, which eventually go on to make something besides atoms. But for now, for the sake of argument, math is believed to be all encompassing in any reality. But then again, people once thought the world was flat, period. And the moon only showing one face to us definitely prevented us from realizing it was a sphere until Galileo came along with his groovy telescope. Scandalous!

The reason there weren�t any stars in those pix is �cuz of brightness. The gray surface of the moon is very bright. I�m sure you have photos where there�s a window and it�s night out. It�s just pure black. Even if there�s stars out, or even a full moon, the room is still like 10,000% brighter as far as the camera is concerned.

Yes, the moon efforts were to show up the dreaded Red Menace, but we really did go there. That we haven�t been back since is another story entirely. I think we have, just that it�s no longer important to publicize it; in fact very important to keep it black project. Despite being very ready myself for outer space existence, I also understand the need to keep the concept away from 3rd world dictators, at least until a peaceful presence is secured, and insurmountable. So, the moon being faced to us is actually a good thing. We could have bases, telescopes, all kinds of shit on the far side, and no one would ever know. If there is, Sagan would�ve known. Believing this is what keeps me from being completely pissed off at him for scoffing at UFOs.

If I were an alien, or an American space pilot wanting to be invisible: yes, hiding in the sunlight is a good move, also a polar magnetic field (the Riker maneuver, TNG). The Phoenix Lights flaps, I think, are cloaked UFOs made by the US at Area 51, whose inviso system went offline accidentally. Pretty cool thing to have eh? A ship that can float at like 100 feet totally silent. As long as you remain invisible, you could float right over any acre in the world, completely undetected. The power source is what I�m curious about.

Ground bases could be underground, underwater, or even above ground in remote places like Canada or Nevada. The closer you get to civilization, the more you have to camouflage. But that�s a requirement anyways, because of spy satellites. Under mountains is probably the method of choice.